tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post1040532953002219609..comments2024-03-19T12:00:16.160+00:00Comments on The Deptford Dame: Outdoor bars proposed for Deptford Market YardUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-25193230576532154362017-08-16T17:02:27.238+00:002017-08-16T17:02:27.238+00:00I would have to consider myself one of these newbi...I would have to consider myself one of these newbie which are constantly being referred to, but in no way a yuppie. I am only reading this month old post just now, as I am researching how viable it would be to open my first small business here. <br /><br />I can see how the "original" locals disagree with this proposal, on the basis of toilets and noise, but these are both easily dealt with. If any issues do arise with noise I am sure they will be rectified as quickly as BM seems to have dealt with the same issue. <br /><br />I don't see, however, how the majority of the "originals" can complain about upper class yuppies swooping in and changing Deptford for the worst! Complaining that you can't afford rising overheads, or not being as well off as all the "newbies" is utter nonsense. Time moves forward, the world is moving forward and developing with it, and so must Deptford, and so must the "originals". <br /><br />I have come from nothing and worked my butt off to learn and develop my skills to get to the point where I am ready to take a risk and start up something I can call my own. I was lower class with nothing, and if I manage to get something off the ground, and some lazy "original" has a whinge and calls me upper class, a yuppie, too big for the area, then all I can say is "I pity the fool". Grow up, better yourself, do something with your life and stop complaining you're not good enough. You are what you have made yourself. If you don't like it, fix it. Let the rest of us try to make Deptford a better place through continuous development. Maybe you should try some development too ;)<br /><br />Don't sweat the small stuff. And stop making it so personal you bunch of children! (coming from a guy in his 20s haha) <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-48110771583685925322017-07-04T10:56:35.963+00:002017-07-04T10:56:35.963+00:00Anonymous, i'd like to hear some suggestions o...Anonymous, i'd like to hear some suggestions of what this inclusive, adaptable, multi-activity, commercially viable, non-shopping, structured community focused resource could be for this space with great potential as your first paragraph says jack about anything other than pie in the sky, non-descript jargon. but i guess it's much easier to obtusely complain than add anything productive to the conversation.<br /><br />and btw, deptford market is a street of market stalls that are there to make profit. it's laughable to suggest it exists for any other reason. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-9222559688938895702017-07-03T19:30:18.814+00:002017-07-03T19:30:18.814+00:00How about a skateboarding park instead to liven up...How about a skateboarding park instead to liven up the space and bring about a nice community spiritJakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-69049899406740487532017-07-03T15:07:34.464+00:002017-07-03T15:07:34.464+00:00I think its summed up fairly well in the first par...I think its summed up fairly well in the first paragraph of the previous post. Its not a shopping mall and its inclusive based on age, interests and the adaptability of activities taking place. IMO whats proposed will not enhance that, but will restrict a space with great potential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-61668564088549634742017-07-03T14:14:57.504+00:002017-07-03T14:14:57.504+00:00"Community focused resource" = shopping...."Community focused resource" = shopping. Sounds very inclusive!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-9650700258118414032017-07-03T13:53:04.055+00:002017-07-03T13:53:04.055+00:00Community focused resource, in this context someth...Community focused resource, in this context something adaptable and that doesnt exclude anyone based on age or the activity taking place - Deptford Market is very much one and no reason why the Market Yard can't be too, while being commercially viable and structured. <br /><br />There is no argument that the train carriage was always intended to be a temporary structure, and it is a shame they couldn't return it to the yard after the construction phase, thank Network Rail for that. The proposal for the two bars is a permanant and long term vision of the operators, it needs to be done correctly. Converting part of the container into WCs isnt on the cards, presumably because they are of a fixed size and need to include a lot of storage for all of the benches and bar equipment outlined in the application. A bar of 150 people would necessitate a minimum of 2 male and 2 female WCs - a fair bit of floorspace. It would be nice to think whatever is provided will be kept clean, but by precident consider Franks in Peckham, an outdoor bar (summer only mind!) on top of a carpark requiring temporary-style toilets that by the mid-evening are really disgusting. However they are not in a publicly used space, or next to restaurants/cafes, or outside someones flat, so it is not much of an issue there. In this situation, combined with the generation of noise and unlikely year-round use, it just doesn't work. Its been a good debate, lets hope the developers provide something with more substantial information rather than making us guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-18369030880859860682017-07-03T12:10:27.526+00:002017-07-03T12:10:27.526+00:00@ Anonymous 3 July 2017 at 11:43
A temporary inst...@ Anonymous 3 July 2017 at 11:43<br /><br />A temporary installation that was there for 6 years in which I had a very favourable curry when it was on the menu. <br /><br />Why do you automatically assume they would be badly maintained portacabins? Perhaps the designer could convert part of the containers into loos? This could look very nice and match the overall aesthetic of the bar. And there are things called employees that would clean them as I'm sure a bar with "shitty" toilets would soon lose its customers. <br /><br />And I wait with baited breath to see this "community focused resource" called a market as this is an oxymoron. Yet one can live in hope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-79027042689889309402017-07-03T11:43:20.691+00:002017-07-03T11:43:20.691+00:00Bringing politics into the discussion is such a wa...Bringing politics into the discussion is such a waste of time and not something the planners will ever take into consideration. The square may be private land (most publicly used open space in London is) but the developer committed to adding a market as a community focussed resource as part of the consultation process and the resulting section 106 agreement. It would be nice to see something that was more varied in use, which could include a smaller bar. I take some issue with the idea of simply adding a toilet, because this is what the developer will do anyway (and given their vision for night time use why wernt proper toilets included earlier as part of the new buildings?) - but they will be portacabins installed somewhere shady and a nightmare to maintain. And yes the train carriage did have a loo in a shed but the whole thing was always a Temporary installation put there by this same developer in order to curry favour with locals prior to turning the station yard into a building site for 2 years. Bad toilets + bad climate + bad accoustics = bad scheme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-78364349313645088512017-07-03T11:33:05.646+00:002017-07-03T11:33:05.646+00:00Well said Anonymous 10.29Well said Anonymous 10.29Corbynisdoneanddustednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-57725088250960151182017-07-03T10:29:16.323+00:002017-07-03T10:29:16.323+00:00Ironically enough in Deptford the 77% is only a li...Ironically enough in Deptford the 77% is only a little bit more than the percentage of people living in social housing. However the political discussion here is mute because both main parties have descended into utter incompetence and idiocracy.<br /><br />Anyway, a little bit more tolerance wouldn't hurt on this forum. Add a toilet, maybe reduce the size a little and have social opening hours and let people enjoy their freaking drink.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-3185981226809018682017-07-03T10:28:41.214+00:002017-07-03T10:28:41.214+00:00The train carriage had an external toilet in a gar...The train carriage had an external toilet in a garden shed and I don't recall such outrage as the comments above, but I guess that was before the Jeremy-fication of Deptford so it either passed under the radar or people have very short memories. The same can be done here - problem solved. Who would have thought taking a dump would be so political!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-85168261583679061942017-07-03T10:01:56.012+00:002017-07-03T10:01:56.012+00:00Alan,
I hate to break the bad news to you but it&...Alan,<br /><br />I hate to break the bad news to you but it's not a public square. It's privately owned by a big bad multi-million pound property developer. The cheek of them to wanting to make money from their investment!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-57122782652186021472017-07-03T09:20:52.714+00:002017-07-03T09:20:52.714+00:00Paul,
Do you really think that the staff at the b...Paul,<br /><br />Do you really think that the staff at the bar would be serving alcohol to the local anti-social bums? A bit of common sense is required in this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-25242857623479102832017-07-03T08:23:40.743+00:002017-07-03T08:23:40.743+00:00I dont know why your being horrible about Jezza, h...I dont know why your being horrible about Jezza, he seems such a nice man, we should invite him over in DeptfordRamonanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-65211550915375411682017-07-02T22:57:27.162+00:002017-07-02T22:57:27.162+00:00@Anonymous 23:57
Not my opinions. It's the o...@Anonymous 23:57 <br /><br />Not my opinions. It's the opinions of the nation. I've got over it, you should too.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-14099258972946812302017-07-02T22:33:20.376+00:002017-07-02T22:33:20.376+00:00@20.45 that was meant to read, sorry Diane was doi...@20.45 that was meant to read, sorry Diane was doing the sumsCorbynisdoneanddustednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-76967923931857221142017-07-02T22:31:35.324+00:002017-07-02T22:31:35.324+00:00Corbyn still LOST you moron, Vicky 77% or not @ano...Corbyn still LOST you moron, Vicky 77% or not @anon 23.47Corbynisdoneanddustednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-47860318436161326952017-07-02T21:14:41.067+00:002017-07-02T21:14:41.067+00:00I meant it wouldn't be viable in winter, unles...I meant it wouldn't be viable in winter, unless all it sold was mulled wine.Paul Prenticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14820603561896273066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-1369929653160992592017-07-02T21:13:11.136+00:002017-07-02T21:13:11.136+00:00I'm a (relative) newcomer to Deptford and I...I'm a (relative) newcomer to Deptford and I'm a big fan of many of the new businesses in the market yard, which add character (and much needed caffeine for morning commuters too!). But these proposals are just awful and badly thought out. In an area that's clearly had a problem with Street drinking and anti social behaviour anything that attracts it could make residents' lives a misery in summer (I doubt this would be viable in summer). Any outdoor bar needs toilets. Only on Friday I came out of the Station House block to see a man urinating behind the carriage ramp in broad daylight...<br /><br />Paul Prenticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14820603561896273066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-14928503112591327092017-07-02T20:45:01.439+00:002017-07-02T20:45:01.439+00:00@anon 1 July 23:57
Lewisham Deptford:
Labour, Vic...@anon 1 July 23:57<br /><br />Lewisham Deptford:<br />Labour, Vicky Foxcroft: 77% 42,461 <br />Conservative, Melanie Mclean: 13.7% 7,762<br /><br />Deptford does not share your opinionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-82802103732029626272017-07-02T20:04:36.370+00:002017-07-02T20:04:36.370+00:00This is one of the worst schemes concerning what s...This is one of the worst schemes concerning what should be public space in Lewisham in decades that will sit empty all winter, every winter. No, its not about the type of people who are already incoming, its not about who are real deptford, its about the change of use from a public square into a bar - an outdoor bar, which wont be able to operate properly because there are no bloody toilets, 100 flats next door (its OUTSIDE remember) and we live in England not mainland Europe where the weather permits this sort of thing.Alannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-14325639454838838502017-07-02T10:51:06.854+00:002017-07-02T10:51:06.854+00:00We should get Jezza to open the canopy bar area, t...We should get Jezza to open the canopy bar area, that should get some great publicity for the area, how can we do this, anyone know, anyone with contacts?Ramonanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-29599568101084153492017-07-01T23:57:35.305+00:002017-07-01T23:57:35.305+00:00@drawndrip
LOL!!! Winning? 2017 election results:...@drawndrip<br /><br />LOL!!! Winning? 2017 election results: Tories 318 seats, Labour 262 seats. I think you need to google what the word "win" means. I suggest you wait to respond until you wake up from your dreamland<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-46154186755193762702017-07-01T23:26:52.827+00:002017-07-01T23:26:52.827+00:00Yo bro. he's winning. Join in sweetie.Yo bro. he's winning. Join in sweetie.drawndripnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7397970649062371366.post-78093054367858550112017-07-01T23:01:02.478+00:002017-07-01T23:01:02.478+00:00@drawndrip
This chain sounds like a sea of Jeremy...@drawndrip<br /><br />This chain sounds like a sea of Jeremy bloody Corbyns trying to regress the area back to 1950 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com